Comments on: Some thoughts about PHP http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/ … and there is much to be learned Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:33:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: anonymous http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3976 anonymous Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:44:17 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-3976 <p>...because keeping PHP code maintainable requires unnatural levels of discipline</p> <p>This is because you have no discipline nor the desire to produce maintainable code.</p> <p><i>[I changed the attribution of this comment because the original attribution was obviously false.]</i></p> …because keeping PHP code maintainable requires unnatural levels of discipline

This is because you have no discipline nor the desire to produce maintainable code.

[I changed the attribution of this comment because the original attribution was obviously false.]

]]> By: Dick Brodine http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3576 Dick Brodine Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:07:48 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-3576 <p>Skill marketability is an important consideration if you plan to be a developer for an extended period of time. Having been a developer for most of the past 31 years, I sometimes look at my resume and find things like Inquire Database. Inquire was the hot setup back in the early '80s. However, Inquire turned out to be just a fad. SQL came along and blew it away. That's the point I'm trying to make about PHP. Perhaps its a viable skill. In the long run, that's what is most important. Cobol/CICS/DB2/VSAM and a lot of Pl/i paid my bills for years. It looks to me like Java is and/or will be just as pervasive, that's why I "place my chips" there. There's nothing worse than pleasing a boss/company by picking up some arcane skill only to find you can't get another job when(not if) you come out of there.</p> Skill marketability is an important consideration if you plan to be a developer for an extended period of time. Having been a developer for most of the past 31 years, I sometimes look at my resume and find things like Inquire Database. Inquire was the hot setup back in the early ’80s. However, Inquire turned out to be just a fad. SQL came along and blew it away. That’s the point I’m trying to make about PHP. Perhaps its a viable skill. In the long run, that’s what is most important. Cobol/CICS/DB2/VSAM and a lot of Pl/i paid my bills for years. It looks to me like Java is and/or will be just as pervasive, that’s why I “place my chips” there. There’s nothing worse than pleasing a boss/company by picking up some arcane skill only to find you can’t get another job when(not if) you come out of there.

]]> By: Peter Williams http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3574 Peter Williams Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:45:23 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-3574 <p>I would say that is not a "flash in the pan". It has been around a long time already and is likely to remain active for quite sometime. As for paying the bills, finding PHP work is not hard. There are a lot of shops that use it. I doubt it would sustain me until retirement but I would guess it will still be reasonably easy to find a PHP job in 10 years.</p> <p>It is hard for me to judge what exactly will happen with PHP. There are several interesting new frameworks for PHP5. However, I think PHP's paradigm is flawed (I think that an application server is a better approach than a page server) so I am unsure exactly how much progress can really be made.</p> I would say that is not a “flash in the pan”. It has been around a long time already and is likely to remain active for quite sometime. As for paying the bills, finding PHP work is not hard. There are a lot of shops that use it. I doubt it would sustain me until retirement but I would guess it will still be reasonably easy to find a PHP job in 10 years.

It is hard for me to judge what exactly will happen with PHP. There are several interesting new frameworks for PHP5. However, I think PHP’s paradigm is flawed (I think that an application server is a better approach than a page server) so I am unsure exactly how much progress can really be made.

]]> By: Dick Brodine http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3563 Dick Brodine Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:03:12 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-3563 <p>Is PHP a skill that will pay your bills over an extended period of time? Or is PHP just a flash in the pan, a fad? Java, which you don't particularly care for, takes ages to write and test. Java is all over the world. So my Java(J2EE) skills should see me to retirement.</p> <p>Where do you see yourself going with 5 months of PHP programming experience?</p> Is PHP a skill that will pay your bills over an extended period of time? Or is PHP just a flash in the pan, a fad? Java, which you don’t particularly care for, takes ages to write and test. Java is all over the world. So my Java(J2EE) skills should see me to retirement.

Where do you see yourself going with 5 months of PHP programming experience?

]]> By: Mario http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3554 Mario Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:35:39 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-3554 <p>Obiously, you're still a newbie to PHP. I've been using it for over 5 years, and since PHP5 i keep discovering new possibilities, new design patterns and new techniques to make PHP code maintainable and logical.</p> <p>You should invest more time in PHP5's Object Oriented Programming, and then start learning Design Patterns. It's the only way to score the chicks and achieve world-peace with your webapplication.</p> <p>By the way, i can recommend CakePHP.org very much!</p> Obiously, you’re still a newbie to PHP. I’ve been using it for over 5 years, and since PHP5 i keep discovering new possibilities, new design patterns and new techniques to make PHP code maintainable and logical.

You should invest more time in PHP5’s Object Oriented Programming, and then start learning Design Patterns. It’s the only way to score the chicks and achieve world-peace with your webapplication.

By the way, i can recommend CakePHP.org very much!

]]> By: If not Java EE, then…? http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-2919 If not Java EE, then…? Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:32:50 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-2919 <p>[...] But honestly? In my gut, I hesitate to propose PHP because of the language itself. It doesn’t feel that much better to write PHP code than Java code — sometimes it’s worse, especially some of PHP 5’s Java-inspired syntax. Mostly, though, I think it’s the lack of closures and blocks, language features that I’ve come to expect and rely on. Peter Williams brings up the same point about PHP. I first learned blocks and closures about two years ago and now find programming without them mildly painful. I think that Mark Jason Dominus got it right when he said in another thirty years people will laugh at anyone who tries to invent a language without closures, just as they’ll laugh now at anyone who tries to invent a language without recursion. [...]</p> [...] But honestly? In my gut, I hesitate to propose PHP because of the language itself. It doesn’t feel that much better to write PHP code than Java code — sometimes it’s worse, especially some of PHP 5’s Java-inspired syntax. Mostly, though, I think it’s the lack of closures and blocks, language features that I’ve come to expect and rely on. Peter Williams brings up the same point about PHP. I first learned blocks and closures about two years ago and now find programming without them mildly painful. I think that Mark Jason Dominus got it right when he said in another thirty years people will laugh at anyone who tries to invent a language without closures, just as they’ll laugh now at anyone who tries to invent a language without recursion. [...]

]]> By: Anne 2.0 » Blog Archive » links for 2006-10-11 http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/comment-page-1/#comment-2917 Anne 2.0 » Blog Archive » links for 2006-10-11 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:10:41 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/2006/10/some-thoughts-about-php/#comment-2917 <p>[...] Peter Williams » Some thoughts about PHP “I find PHP to be a deeply frustrating environment in which to work. It seems to have occurred, as opposed to designed or even evolved, without much of an overarching vision.” (tags: php coding language-wars) [...]</p> [...] Peter Williams » Some thoughts about PHP “I find PHP to be a deeply frustrating environment in which to work. It seems to have occurred, as opposed to designed or even evolved, without much of an overarching vision.” (tags: php coding language-wars) [...]

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