Comments on: Early impressions of PHP http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:42:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: afongen » Sure it’s got warts, but it does the job. http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-2125 afongen » Sure it’s got warts, but it does the job. Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:35:30 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-2125 <p>[...] Peter Williams has started working with PHP. He comments mostly about the syntax and with the understanding that he’s writing about PHP 4. Some of that has been improved upon in PHP 5: exceptions, for instance, to which Matt Zandstra has written a good introduction. I agree with a lot of what Peter says. DHH has a point: PHP is not pretty to look at, and sometimes it’s ugly to use. Using -> as a method invocation operator is unpleasant (Perl does the same thing, but in Perl 6 it’s a .). It’s a small thing, but small things add up. I don’t like to use PHP because I like the syntax of the language or because it’s a joy to write PHP code. I like to use PHP because it gets the job done, sometimes quite powerfully. And it’s a helluva lot better in PHP 5. [...]</p> […] Peter Williams has started working with PHP. He comments mostly about the syntax and with the understanding that he’s writing about PHP 4. Some of that has been improved upon in PHP 5: exceptions, for instance, to which Matt Zandstra has written a good introduction. I agree with a lot of what Peter says. DHH has a point: PHP is not pretty to look at, and sometimes it’s ugly to use. Using -> as a method invocation operator is unpleasant (Perl does the same thing, but in Perl 6 it’s a .). It’s a small thing, but small things add up. I don’t like to use PHP because I like the syntax of the language or because it’s a joy to write PHP code. I like to use PHP because it gets the job done, sometimes quite powerfully. And it’s a helluva lot better in PHP 5. […]

]]> By: yassen http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-940 yassen Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:26 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-940 <p>Ohh boys.. the so called "object orientation" of php4 killed me. If Rasmus has never did it (until v.5 at least), that would be better for me than being beaten as now and not knowing where do hits come from.</p> Ohh boys.. the so called “object orientation” of php4 killed me. If Rasmus has never did it (until v.5 at least), that would be better for me than being beaten as now and not knowing where do hits come from.

]]> By: someone http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-913 someone Tue, 30 May 2006 22:41:06 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-913 <p>http://www.php.net/releases.php</p> <p>Check the release date of php 4.0.0: * Released: 22 May 2000</p> <p>Not that its exactly an excuse for 4.0's odd OO, but it might be an explanation. As a language, PHP has evolved from a perl module to a full fledged OO scripting language in only a few years.</p> <p>Already lots of things are 'fixed' in php5.x - it has real constructors, destructors, reflection, and exceptions - and php6 will continue the trend</p> <p>http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html</p> http://www.php.net/releases.php

Check the release date of php 4.0.0:
* Released: 22 May 2000

Not that its exactly an excuse for 4.0’s odd OO, but it might be an explanation. As a language, PHP has evolved from a perl module to a full fledged OO scripting language in only a few years.

Already lots of things are ‘fixed’ in php5.x - it has real constructors, destructors, reflection, and exceptions - and php6 will continue the trend

http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html

]]> By: bob dole http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-909 bob dole Tue, 30 May 2006 06:57:20 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-909 <p>you don't like the semi-colon? the alternative sucks really bad.</p> you don’t like the semi-colon? the alternative sucks really bad.

]]> By: matt http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-854 matt Thu, 25 May 2006 19:43:04 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-854 <p>A likely rationale for always-pass-by-value is the stateless expectation of the script environment. Persisting references means lots of extra work that defaulting to state being completely marshallable "for free" as value-types may avoid.</p> <p>I'm not saying it's a good reason, but scripting systems are, ultimately, problem-solvers purpose-built for their first application. The web, she is stateless...ish.</p> A likely rationale for always-pass-by-value is the stateless expectation of the script environment. Persisting references means lots of extra work that defaulting to state being completely marshallable “for free” as value-types may avoid.

I’m not saying it’s a good reason, but scripting systems are, ultimately, problem-solvers purpose-built for their first application. The web, she is stateless…ish.

]]> By: Anne 2.0 » 2006 » May http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-828 Anne 2.0 » 2006 » May Mon, 22 May 2006 23:47:34 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-828 <p>[...] Peter Williams » Early impressions of PHP Peter, a Colorado geek, talks about some of PHP’s weirdities, like defaulting to passing objects by value instead of by reference. (tags: php programming) [...]</p> […] Peter Williams » Early impressions of PHP Peter, a Colorado geek, talks about some of PHP’s weirdities, like defaulting to passing objects by value instead of by reference. (tags: php programming) […]

]]> By: CJ http://barelyenough.org/blog/2006/05/early-impressions-of-php/#comment-823 CJ Mon, 22 May 2006 04:46:43 +0000 http://pezra.barelyenough.org/blog/?p=235#comment-823 <p>> I have not take much time to check out what is different in PHP 5</p> <p>A rewrite of PHP's object support was the major change in PHP5. Exceptions were added too.</p> > I have not take much time to check out what is different in PHP 5

A rewrite of PHP’s object support was the major change in PHP5. Exceptions were added too.

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