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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://barelyenough.org/blog/2005/05/hiring-should-be-obsolete/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#62; You might argue that health care is part of the
&#62; development costs but I think you would find
&#62; very few angle/seed investors that would agree.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, resources (what used to be called workers, employees or personel) come at a cost. And the investors are going to have to pay the market rate for engineers. I've worked for startups, and we had medical benefits. I don't see why you view your personal medical expenses any differently than you do any other expense your family has. Investors pay for your family's expenses or you don't agree to work for them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I really think has messed up medicine in the US, besides outrageous malpractice lawsuits, is the fact that we buy medical insurance through our employers. Talk about supressing market forces! If I can't change to a better insurance company without changing employers, I don't call that a free market. The customer (me) isn't the one paying the bill (my employer). The same is true with 401(k)s. Imagine if coming on board with a company meant I had to buy groceries at only one store, had to buy my auto insurance from one company, and had to buy a particular brand of automobile. It would be completely repressive. And yet, I would argue that medical coverage and retirements savings are even more important products/services to my family's well being than those things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; You might argue that health care is part of the<br />
&gt; development costs but I think you would find<br />
&gt; very few angle/seed investors that would agree.</p>
<p>Well, resources (what used to be called workers, employees or personel) come at a cost. And the investors are going to have to pay the market rate for engineers. I&#8217;ve worked for startups, and we had medical benefits. I don&#8217;t see why you view your personal medical expenses any differently than you do any other expense your family has. Investors pay for your family&#8217;s expenses or you don&#8217;t agree to work for them.</p>
<p>What I really think has messed up medicine in the US, besides outrageous malpractice lawsuits, is the fact that we buy medical insurance through our employers. Talk about supressing market forces! If I can&#8217;t change to a better insurance company without changing employers, I don&#8217;t call that a free market. The customer (me) isn&#8217;t the one paying the bill (my employer). The same is true with 401(k)s. Imagine if coming on board with a company meant I had to buy groceries at only one store, had to buy my auto insurance from one company, and had to buy a particular brand of automobile. It would be completely repressive. And yet, I would argue that medical coverage and retirements savings are even more important products/services to my family&#8217;s well being than those things.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Williams</title>
		<link>http://barelyenough.org/blog/2005/05/hiring-should-be-obsolete/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The rate of innovation in countries with and without universal health care is a interesting question.  I am not aware of any evidence one way or the other.  However, it seems reasonable to think that if innovation is good you should try to motivate it.  The only ways I see to motivate innovation are to increase the rewards or to lower the risk.  The only way I see to increase the rewards is to regulate the economy more (say by forcing people to pay more for innovation) but I think that is a bad idea.  So that leaves you with just one choice, to attempt to lower the risk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, having a situation where if you do not make a lot of money (hopefully by innovating) you die might provide sufficient motivation. :)  But it is not really the sort of society in which I want to live.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rate of innovation in countries with and without universal health care is a interesting question.  I am not aware of any evidence one way or the other.  However, it seems reasonable to think that if innovation is good you should try to motivate it.  The only ways I see to motivate innovation are to increase the rewards or to lower the risk.  The only way I see to increase the rewards is to regulate the economy more (say by forcing people to pay more for innovation) but I think that is a bad idea.  So that leaves you with just one choice, to attempt to lower the risk.</p>
<p>On the other hand, having a situation where if you do not make a lot of money (hopefully by innovating) you die might provide sufficient motivation. :)  But it is not really the sort of society in which I want to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Vick</title>
		<link>http://barelyenough.org/blog/2005/05/hiring-should-be-obsolete/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Vick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, people in countries that have universal health care do live longer and pay less for health care, but, do those contries innovate at the rate of the U.S.?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, people in countries that have universal health care do live longer and pay less for health care, but, do those contries innovate at the rate of the U.S.?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Williams</title>
		<link>http://barelyenough.org/blog/2005/05/hiring-should-be-obsolete/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree.  The reason startups get investors is because they cannot fund the development of the idea.  You might argue that health care is part of the development costs but I think you would find very few angle/seed investors that would agree.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am not suggesting that startups get propped-up by goverment subsidies.  I think that a business should succeed or fail on it's on merits. Rather, I am suggesting that entrepreneurs should have to risk their money, time and reputation, but not their families lives, went starting a business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You may think the current system works well but remember that people in countries that have universal health care live longer and pay less for health care.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  The reason startups get investors is because they cannot fund the development of the idea.  You might argue that health care is part of the development costs but I think you would find very few angle/seed investors that would agree.</p>
<p>I am not suggesting that startups get propped-up by goverment subsidies.  I think that a business should succeed or fail on it&#8217;s on merits. Rather, I am suggesting that entrepreneurs should have to risk their money, time and reputation, but not their families lives, went starting a business.</p>
<p>You may think the current system works well but remember that people in countries that have universal health care live longer and pay less for health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brown</title>
		<link>http://barelyenough.org/blog/2005/05/hiring-should-be-obsolete/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is why starters of startups get investors, so the risk isn't all on them. I think the current system is good. It doesn't make society subsidize mediocore ventures.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why starters of startups get investors, so the risk isn&#8217;t all on them. I think the current system is good. It doesn&#8217;t make society subsidize mediocore ventures.</p>
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